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2.21 Sizes

 

Frank L. Preuss

 

This is a table, which shows sizes.

It is here about sizes like distances or lengths, and about speeds, about times like years or aeons, sizes regarding volume, and quantities.

One purpose of this list is to compare sizes given in spiritual writings with seizes given by science.

The table shows that data from Jesus agree with scientific date, when science uses trigonometry for their calculations, but that then there is no agreement, when science starts to work with some assumptions, which contradict spiritual writings, and that particularly, when it is about the measuring of distances.

The informaton comes from spiritual writings, from the works of Jakob Lorber.

Here comes a quote that helps the reader to assess the writings of Jakob Lorber - from hitchhikersgui.de/Jakob_Lorber:

The German philosopher E.F. Schumacher refers to the New Revelation (NR) in his book “A Guide for the Perplexed” as follows: "They (the books of the NR) contain many strange things which are unacceptable to modern mentality, but at the same time contain such plethora of high wisdom and insight that it would be difficult to find anything more impressive in the whole of world literature. Lorber's books, at the same time, are full of statements on scientific matters which flatly contradicted the sciences of his time and anticipated a great deal of modern physics and astronomy. ... There is no rational explanation for the range, profundity and precision of their contents.

Here a list of the works used as sources.

 

Jakob Lorber, 1800 - 1864
Abbreviation of the name of the work Name of the work Years
jl.flieDie Fliege
(The Fly)
1840-1842
jl.hagDie Haushaltung Gottes
(The household of God)
1840-1844
jl.nsonDie natürliche Sonne
(The natural sun)
1842-1842
jl.bmarBischof Martin
(Bishop Martin)
1847-1848
jl.rblVon der Hölle bis zum Himmel–Robert Blum
(From hell to heaven - Robert Blum)
1848-1851
jl.evDas große Evangelium Johannes
(The great Gospel of John)
1851-1864

 

And now the actual table:

 

Sizes
ABCDEFGHI
Description Size 1 Size 2 Source Science Ratio
Hours walking distance as unit measure4.40E+07 hours distance3.4 km/h at 14.96E+07 km distance between earth and sun1m/sjl.ev06.245,13] However, do not ask about the size and length of diameter of such a shellglobe! Since for man there hardly ever could be thought of a figure on this earth, through which the distance from this earth to the sun, which is 44 times thousand times thousand hours walking, when taken as a unit measure to determine the shell-globe diameter, then aeon times aeon of such distance would hardly be enough for a solar super universe, of which there nearly exist countless many. Thus I nevertheless have ascertained the concept of the nearly endless size of a shell-globe in you, and on this foundation we can build further. 3.4km/hC/G = 1
Head size of those over world great original central sun men1 000Size of earthjl.ev05.113,06] In some regions of that immense solar world, there are human beings who are so large that their head alone is at least a thousand times larger than this whole earth. However, the weakest among My children is, nevertheless, by virtue of My Spirit within the heart of its soul endlessly mightier than myriads of those gigantic people from the primordial central sun.
Destruction of the planet between Mars and Jupiter before6 000Years jl.ev04.106,08] But how and why is this so? There are very special circumstances which relate to this earth. As a planet it belongs to this sun; but it is, strictly speaking, unlike its other planets - with the exception of the one located between Mars and Jupiter which, for certain important reasons, was already destroyed six-thousand years ago, or more correctly, was actually destroyed by itself and its inhabitants. Although the earth is in our solar system, it originally came from the primordial central sun and it is in a certain way unimaginably older in your terms than this sun. Nevertheless, the earth really only physically emerged a long time after our sun had begun, as a fully developed world, had begun its first orbit around its central sun. Nevertheless, its actual physical materiality was mainly drawn from this sun.«
Age of earth
Size of sun> 1 000 000Size of earth jl.ev02.057,04] Say the two, most endearingly: "Dearest friend and brother in the Lord, try not to know what you cannot possibly grasp right now, and on which the salvation of your soul does not depend; because that about which we spoke with the Lord would kill you, if you could understand it to the extent that we do and have to understand it. Because as many stars as you can see on a clear night, and many more that your eye can't see on account of their immense distance, all are solar worlds on a scale beyond your understanding. The one sun that you see is one of the smallest planetary suns yet it is already more than a thousand times a thousand times bigger than this earth. Now imagine a central sun of just the fourth gradation class, around which at least ten times a hundred thousand planetary suns orbit together with their planets or light-less earths! Their circumference on its own is alone as large as the sum of the circumferences of all the planetary suns and their earths and moons revolving around them, multiplied by thousand. Tell us, friend, can you now form for yourself an idea of such a magnitude?" 1 300 000B/G = 0.8
Central sun of fourth gradation class> 1.00E+06Number of plantary suns > 1.00E+09Number of plane- tary sunsB/G = 1.00E-03, see Note No. 01
Size of the sun1 000 000Size of the earth jl.nson.007,05] This is for sure; for think of the weight of just one mountain upon your trivial cosmic body; then think of the planet's weight and then that of your entire sun which firstly is a million times bigger than your Earth and hence also harbours a gravitational pull a million times that of your Earth. For were this not so, then it could not attract entire cosmic bodies many thousands of millions of miles distant in such a way that they are unable to escape its region. And in proportion to this gravitational pull in a body also is the weight through the multiplied pull of this body. 1.30E+06B/G = 0.77
Attractive force of the sun1 000 000Attractive force of the earth
Distance of world bodies from sunsometimes even many 1.00E+09 milesworld bodies; Pluto is 3.00E+09 miles away from the sun
Size of the sun1.00E+06Size of the earth jl.ev06.245,05] The earth is surely not such a small world body, and the sun is about a thousand times thousand times larger than the whole earth; but already the next central sun is more than ten times hundred-thousand times bigger than this sun, which illuminates this earth and soon will rise, and has more body content than all the thousand times thousand times thousand planetary suns including all their earths and moons and comets, which all, in for you unthinkable wide stretched circles, move with their attachments with great speed around such a central sun, and still, especially the most distant, often require thousand times thousand earth years, to only complete only one wide orbit and arrive back again at the old spot. 1.30E+06B/G = 0.77
Size of the next central sun>1.00E+06Size of the planetary sun
Volume of the next central sun>Volume of all planetary suns together with all their earths and moons and comets
next central sun1.00E+09Number of all planetary suns together with all their earths and moons and comets in orbit
Orbit time of planetary sun systems around the next central sun1.00E+06Earth years 2.25E+06YearsB/G = 0.44
Orbit time of this sun28 000YearsJL.Ev06.246,02] The rotation time of this sun (i.e. of our sun) around its central sun takes a time period of about 28 000 earth years, which time period for the sun itself therefore comes to one year, that is so much as one year on the sun. 2.40E+08YearsB/G = 1.17E-04
Travelling duration of the sun around central sun body28 000Yearsjl.nson.001,02] In relation to its orbiting planets, the sun is indeed a fixed star; in itself however it is merely a perfect planet, in that it too (like the orbit of the Earth and its moon around the sun), together with its planets moves around the formerly mentioned central sun, a journey taking somewhat longer than the earth's orbit around the sun; for it requires nearly twenty-eight thousand years (note: twenty-eight thousand years / Revelations given 19th Century) to complete its journey. 2.40E+08YearsB/G = 1.17E-04
Ageaeons of yearsjl.ev05.112,04] The small planets that have no light of their own, such as this earth, its moon, the so-called Venus, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, and still other similar planets belonging to this sun, including the many comets — which later also become planets carrying human beings, partly through an actual union with a planet already carrying humans, and partly in their own right as matured planets —, all these will disintegrate in the sun, after — by your concepts — eons of time.
   jl.ev05.112,05] The sun and its many companions will dissolve in its central sun [of the local star cluster or ‘sun area’] . These central suns, which can be of an enormous age and for which one eon (decillion times decillion) of earth years is what for this earth is one year, will dissolve in the central suns of the galaxies, which suns, in their over-all proportions — to express it in the Arabic way — are, of course, million million [= trillion or 1012] times larger again. These galaxy central suns again will dissolve in the central suns of the super galaxies, which suns are again in the same proportion larger. These central suns of the super galaxies will finally be dissolved in the one primordial central sun whose physical dimensions, by your standards, are truly immeasurable.
Distance between double suns2.04E+10km1.36E+02AEjl.ev06.248,12] But there still exists a special kind of sun, of which several appear in every separate sun region. These are the so called double suns, which are nevertheless not central suns, but only seldom occurring planetary suns, and one of the two are always considerably larger than its companion. Both suns are seldom more than six-thousand times thousand times thousand times straight hours walking apart from each other. The smaller sun orbits the larger like a large planet; but still, around each of the two suns, a fair number of greater and smaller planets are orbiting, on which the inhabitants have a good life. Since firstly they nearly never have a full night and secondly it is never especially cold, and this in particular the smaller planets, which orbit between the two suns, namely at the time when such passageway happens. 10 to 4900AUD/G about 1
Diameter of a central sun of first kind: central sun of Milky Way> 139,280,500 = > 1.39E+08kmjl.ev06.245,05] The earth is surely not such a small world body, and the sun is about a thousand times thousand times larger then the whole earth; but already the next central sun is more than ten times hundred-thousand times bigger than this sun, which illuminates this earth and soon will rise, and has more body content than all the thousand times thousand times thousand planetary suns including all their earths and moons and comets, which all, in for you unthinkable wide stretched circles, move with their attachments with great speed around such a central sun, and still, especially the most distant, often require thousand times thousand earth years, to only complete only one wide orbit and arrive back again at the old spot.
Number of suns in a galaxy1.00E+06jl.nson.006,16] This is even more the case with the magnitude of a succeeding central sun around which up to several million smaller suns orbit with their planets and hence represents a much more grandiose and more diverse active organism than that of a smaller sun with its planets. Behold, these millions of suns in clusters also have their ether enclosed, the reason such distant solar regions can be observed as sharply delineated nebulae which would be impossible without this skin enclosing the ether; which in human as well as animal bodies can be compared to a tiny skin around each individual nerve without which it could neither live nor endure. > 1.00E+09Number of plane- tary sunsB/G = 1.00E-03, see Note No. 01
The really self shining central sunjl.nson.006,17] You know that such individual solar regions again have their own central body around which they move and are vitalized by the force of this central body and it's still wider shell or self-contained skin or ether. This solar-region conglomerate i.e. where several or rather an immense number of solar regions around a still larger central body, together comprise a still wider solar region, which is in turn enclosed by a still greater skin or ether. And finally these solar conglomerates orbit in vast numbers around a common, bigger central point namely around the truly self-shining central sun, being one and all in life-giving action within an exceedingly outstretched enclosure or skin. And this is then a shell-globe or a perfect independent solar body.
Central sun of a shell globe: last material preschool jl.nson.003,11] When these spirits, ever so translucent, arrive at this second central sun, they feel themselves to be no more than totally dark and lightless. Hence they are once again initiated stage by stage, making them capable of ascending to a still deeper and all but endlessly large central sun. This sun also is the final material preschool for heaven as such, which is the primordial fatherland of all perfect spirits. But in this last and very largest central sun of a shell-globe, there are many gradations which the spirits with etheric bodies have to go through before being ready to be taken up by the spiritual-sun-world, called heaven. This in outline is the Way for the spirits perfected in the sun.
Crater diameter of a central sun of fourth kind 4.18E+16km4.42E+03Lyjl.nson.007,08] On that account this central sun is also full to excess with the most immense so-called volcanoes, or fire-spewers of which the smallest has a diameter to make room for thirty billion of your suns, to say nothing of the largest of the craters upon this central sun!
Diameter of a central sun of fourth kind: Regulus> 9.46E+30km> 1.00E+18Lyjl.nson.007,04] Now consider the diameter of a central sun being such that in a straight line it would even take light, over a trillion years to cover the distance; the size or volume of such a body would be of a phenomenal order from the natural aspect. And if such a body were endlessly colossal for your concepts, would not such endless bulk of matter towards its mid-point, exert an inconceivable pressure from every side? 4E+06kmB/G = 2.37E+24, see Note No. 02
jl.ev06.247,08] There, look through the open window, and you see just now the Regulus in the Leo! See, this is the very primordial sun in this shell-globe! Its incalculable large distance from here, has compressed it to a point. How many such Reguluses could you imagine next to each other? I say to you: countless, - just as your spirit next to the large cosmic man, started to imagine more of them in endless space! And with such pure divine abilities equipped in the spirit, you say that a person is a nothing of nothingness?! Indeed, your body as matter is of course nothing; therefore the great and immortal man should not provide for his temporary and material nothingness, but for his spiritual everything, and in future he cannot say, that he is a nothing of nothingness, but in and with Me everything in everything!
Distance from shell globe to shell globeOne million diameters of a shell globejl.rbl2.301,07] What however seems to you like shimmering grains of sand all are Shell Globes, each of which contain decillions times decillions of suns, and on top of that a million times more planets, moons and comets. The distances separating such Shell Globes is, on average, a million such Shell Globe diameters. Their seeming mutual proximity is due to their immense distance, whilst your ability to see their arraignment as a human form is even more due to the distance, akin to looking at the stellar sky from Earth: to the eye it seems like a curved surface thickly strewn with stellar constellations, whereas two close stars could in fact be separated many trillions of miles behind each other.
Size of heavenjl.flie.012,09] Yes, the ‘heavenly man’ in its human shape is so big that all countless milliards of shell globes, which comprise the ‘cosmic man’, would easily fit into the tubular opening of one of its little body hairs and they could move about without even touching the sides of the little hair tubes.
These enormous sun world bodiesjl.ev03.126,18] You see, I can tell you, because I, as no other mortal on this Earth, have experienced physically that in the most endless space there are such enormously large suns which, if they were hollow, would have a greater space inside them than this whole heaven that you see here up to the fixed stars of first, second and third distance! These enormous suns, around which whole solar systems with their countless many central suns and planetary suns, move around an even more endlessly great central sun for the sake of sustenance, and the movement is so fast that you would not be able to even catch them with the speed of thought!
Duration of great world bodiesjl.ev05.112,08] But despite such incalculable lengths of time for you of the great worlds its time will one day nonetheless be over and then once again a period of creation will have taken its course and be completed. After that a new period of creation will begin in an endlessly remote region of space of creation. And you will be taking an active part in this, as well as in countless others following it, — but only as My true children.
Godjl.flie.012,12] Yes, I tell you, in addition: In My endlessness, there are several such heavens, and each heaven is, by itself, a complete man, and all the heavens together form another endless man, which cannot be thought or conceived of by anyone but Me, since it is actually My body, or God in His endlessness, which thinks and feels His person and individuality in the most determined and clearest way of all, - and what an abundance of life in Him!

 

Note No. 01: Jesus says that at least one million planetary suns orbit a central sun in the fourth gradation. The astronomer Patrick Moore says in his book "The A - Z of Astronomy" that each galaxy is made up of many thousands of millions stars and of our galaxy he says that it contains about 100,000 million stars. Normally Jesus is much higher with his information about quantities than the scientists, but here the scientists are much higher: Thousand times as much. This seems to suggest that they, the scientists, add many stars to our galaxy, the Milky Way, which do not belong to it. And a primary example could here be Regulus. And that again seems to confirm that their whole distance measuring of stars further away is wrong. See jl.ev02.057,04. See also note No. 01a, jl.nson.006,16.

Note No. 02: The star Regulus, as Jesus describes it, and as the scientists describe it, differs size wise considerably. This difference was dealt with on webpage en030219, and there in these sections: Galaxies Kinds of Galaxies #jl.ev06.247,08. Jesus gives
9.46E+30 km and science
4.00E+06 km. Expressed differently, Jesus says that the diameter of the star Regulus in the constellation Leo is
9,460,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 km and the scientists say that it is
                                4,000,000 km.
The statement "but already the next central sun is more than ten times hundred-thousand times bigger than this sun, which illuminates this earth and soon will rise, and has more body content than all the thousand times thousand times thousand planetary suns including all their earths and moons and comets" in jl.ev06.245,05 says that a central sun has more body content than all celestial bodies together, which orbit it. And consequently Regulus has more body content than the whole rest in the shell globe.

 

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